for the rich to end end. >> caller: i think this whole fiscal cliff thing is a conspiracy of cartoonists. easier to draw a cliff, i guess. i've seen so many of them. but this again one of these self-constructed crises that congress is really good at building. there is a real easy way out of it, and i think actually we're seeing a little bit of movement on the republican side that might make it pretty easy to get over it. with tom coal the republican from oklahoma saying that we just ought to go ahead and pass the tax cuts for the 98% and then fight for the rest of it later. that's what we've been saying on our side. we can do that if five minutes. >> stephanie: that's what nancy pelosi said, extending middle class tax cuts wrought further delay. she said we remain optimistic that we're going to reach an agreement, are you? >> i was less optimistic before tom cole made a statement. tom is held in pretty high regard. he's not what is generally considered a moderate on the republican side. he's a very, very good guy and member of the bourbon caucus, by the way. >> stephanie: ha ha, hee hee.